http://www.historycarper.com/wordpress/2007/the-righteous-with-the-wicked/ Jay's thoughts on stuff Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:59:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://www.historycarper.com/wordpress/2007/the-righteous-with-the-wicked/comment-page-1/#comment-10787 Mark Call Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:50:48 +0000 http://www.historycarper.com/wordpress/?p=293#comment-10787 I'm with Jay on the pre-trib rapture, Triton. I simply do not see, either directly in Scripture or by precedent, where God spares His people potential <i>hardship</i>. But He clearly sounds a shofar. The phrasing of Matthew 24:37-42 is illustrative, and seems to directly deny a pre-trib scenario. "...as the days of Noe..." -- "then shall two be in the filed, one shall be taken, and the other left [behind!]" As with Noe, the ones 'taken' were taken by the flood. I’m with Jay on the pre-trib rapture, Triton. I simply do not see, either directly in Scripture or by precedent, where God spares His people potential hardship. But He clearly sounds a shofar.
The phrasing of Matthew 24:37-42 is illustrative, and seems to directly deny a pre-trib scenario.
“…as the days of Noe…” –
“then shall two be in the filed, one shall be taken, and the other left [behind!]”
As with Noe, the ones ‘taken’ were taken by the flood.

]]> http://www.historycarper.com/wordpress/2007/the-righteous-with-the-wicked/comment-page-1/#comment-10786 jay c Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:24:03 +0000 http://www.historycarper.com/wordpress/?p=293#comment-10786 I haven't spent a lot of time with eschatology, but I <i>have</i> spent a lot of time in the Scriptures over the last ten years. I was brought up to believe in a pre-trib rapture, and the whole <i>Left Behind</i> scenario. (Although, back then I would have called it the <i>Thief in the Night</i> scenario.) I don't buy it anymore. In each of the divine genocides (the Flood, S&G, the Ten Plagues, and the Promised Land) the survivors all had to construct their own escape. Noah built the ark; Lot and his family walked to safety; the Hebrews painted their lintels and crossed the Red Sea; Rahab hung the red cord. Certainly, they were all guided and aided by God, but they had to have faith in God's promises and, most importantly, they had to act on them. God didn't zap anyone to safety, and he never saved them from all of the consequences of what happened. Instead, he sheltered and guided them. I haven’t spent a lot of time with eschatology, but I have spent a lot of time in the Scriptures over the last ten years. I was brought up to believe in a pre-trib rapture, and the whole Left Behind scenario. (Although, back then I would have called it the Thief in the Night scenario.) I don’t buy it anymore.
In each of the divine genocides (the Flood, S&G, the Ten Plagues, and the Promised Land) the survivors all had to construct their own escape. Noah built the ark; Lot and his family walked to safety; the Hebrews painted their lintels and crossed the Red Sea; Rahab hung the red cord. Certainly, they were all guided and aided by God, but they had to have faith in God’s promises and, most importantly, they had to act on them. God didn’t zap anyone to safety, and he never saved them from all of the consequences of what happened. Instead, he sheltered and guided them.

]]> http://www.historycarper.com/wordpress/2007/the-righteous-with-the-wicked/comment-page-1/#comment-10785 Triton Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:24:56 +0000 http://www.historycarper.com/wordpress/?p=293#comment-10785 Here's a question for you, Jay. (And for Mark Call, too, if he's reading.) Those that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture point to passages like this to support their assertion that Christians will be spared the Great Tribulation. What's your opinion on the subject? Here’s a question for you, Jay. (And for Mark Call, too, if he’s reading.)
Those that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture point to passages like this to support their assertion that Christians will be spared the Great Tribulation.
What’s your opinion on the subject?

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